Forum Gold / Virtual Goods Sellers! Please Read This!

Myoga- · *Last edited by Myoga- on 23 Sep 2010 07:50 pm; edited 2 times in total*

After I got scammed this last time I decided it was about time I had a chat with PayPal's dispute reps. I had not too long of a chat but a decent enough of one to get very valuable information!

Now the first thing we talked about was what I was selling, and I told them, virtual goods. They then explained that every single cash-back that was occurring on me was an "unauthorized transaction", although, even with it being an "unauthorized transaction" they still shouldn't have received the funds because buyers have no protection when it comes to intangible goods.

So I asked her, how is it, that even when I provide proof that they received the goods, and proof of who they are, that they still get their money back. She told me she honestly didn't know because again, buyers have no protection when it comes to virtual goods.

Then I asked her this question. I've read on forums, that if you have them send the money as a gift that they can't cash back, is this true? She replied that it was false information, because people can dispute the transaction as an unauthorized claim and receive the money back. Also, payments that are sent as a gift are a lot more likely to be given back to the buyer because of it being sent as a gift since there wasn't supposed to be any goods traded between the two people, so they don't review the information as much or just deem it as useless since it was a gift. She also explained to me that having so many transaction sent to me as a gift is not a good thing, and that if it is being abused (which is kind of what this type of trading is) they can remove our privilege of sending / receiving money as a gift, simply because it's robbing them of the fee's PayPal put in place.

Alright, fine, so how would you recommend selling virtual goods then? Is there an option to have them send the money for an intangible good? She explained to me that the best way to receive money for virtual / intangible goods (and if you want your transaction dispute information (which there shouldn't be because she also told me they can't be disputed) actually looked at) is to have the money sent as a SERVICE! She said it's a much safer way for the seller to sell virtual goods as compared to receiving the payments as a gift.

So everyone, if you want to stay clear of getting PayPal privileges revoked then trade using the SERVICE method of trading instead of as a gift. It will greater protect the seller and not end up with you losing all your money, what would you rather do? Get scammed and lost $175+ (like I have), or pay the 48 cent charge that PayPal puts on every trade of $15. I obviously know what I'm doing.

If this could be stickied please do, this is invaluable information!

TeH SaNdMaN · Posted: 23 Sep 2010 07:49 pm Post subject:

sounds good
thanks for posting this
i hope my trades go smoother too smile

TeH SaNdMaN · Posted: 23 Sep 2010 07:53 pm Post subject:

hey myoga i have a question

How do i know if the other person sent the money as Services?

also if they send to me as a service, and they DO chargeback
How would i provide my proof i gave them fg etc?

stfu · Posted: 23 Sep 2010 08:04 pm Post subject:

I have already recieved a chargeback with a service payment. It doesnt matter all the scammer has to do is call their credit card and say they got robbed or that his stupid little brother stole his credit card.

Paypal will NEVER be safe.

Myoga- · Posted: 23 Sep 2010 08:18 pm Post subject:

ye · Posted: 23 Sep 2010 08:24 pm Post subject:

On my first trade on here, the dude tried to chargeback $40 and after a week + of disputing it, paypal sided with me and i didn't supply ~any~ proof.

After that i started doing gifts and haven't been cb'd since ~

Myoga- · Posted: 24 Sep 2010 09:08 am Post subject:

ye · Posted: 24 Sep 2010 03:25 pm Post subject:

Farter · Posted: 24 Sep 2010 03:32 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the info buddy

Myoga- · Posted: 25 Sep 2010 09:02 pm Post subject:

Pinko · Posted: 25 Sep 2010 09:46 pm Post subject:

Sellers , stop using paypal ! There will always be a way for chargeback . I have stopped supporting paypal payments to me year ago , since then i have never been scammed derisive

Moneybookers FTW .

TheDrag · Posted: 25 Sep 2010 10:16 pm Post subject:

Myoga- · Posted: 26 Sep 2010 01:29 pm Post subject:

Full Hou$e · Posted: 26 Sep 2010 01:57 pm Post subject:

PayPal sucks dick, nothing new