Ls Needed On Ghost?

[Erokai]

I never said venom isn’t an important part. I specially said it is a minor part. When you compare it to your physical damage, and in some duels, how much MB damage you will be doing, along with OW and crushing blow, venom ranks in the bottom half. While your definition and usage of the word minor might be different than mine, it still remains that venom on chaos, is dumb, anyway you Slice it.

This is strictly talking about how venom on your chaos is dumb.

[ForgottenDreamer]

[WinningBreeds]

Ghosts are fortuned with the luxary of almost being able to hardskill every needed skill they use. You are not so dependent on staffmods from claws as a hybsin or even trapper and the 3 most rewarding skills to buff would be MB, WB and Venom. Your recommendation to at no cost get venom staff mods is just a bad advice.

[DuckDuckGo]

Ghost is also extremely strapped for skills.

Ghost uses 14 hard skill points for skills to either get to other skills or skills you only put 1 into. 8 from traps, 2 from martial arts and 4 from shadow disc.

Then you “max” 5x skills: Mind Blast, claw mastery, weapon block, fade, and venom. The last of which to max is venom.

That puts you at 114 skills. Given at 99, you only get 110 skills, you are left with a 4 skill deficit.

Meaning you need staff mods to make up the lack of skills.

One way is obvious to get, and that’s Lightning sentry, but that will only save you 3 skills, as you need fire blast to get to blade shield and WoF.

Leaving you with 5 staff mod slots left (3x available on both claws, but you are using 1x slot for Lightning sentry). But still a 1 skill deficit.

You also need to have +3 weapon block on one of the slots, or 2 slots totaling 3. For this case, we will just use 1x slot, to make it simple.

Leaving you with 3x slots left.

But you want both Claws to have mind blast.

So now you have 1x slot left.

But look at that, even at 99 you are still at a 1 skill deficit for what you need.

And the only way to make up that one skill deficit, is to skill wake of fire, and get a claw with a blade shield staff mod.

Now you have 0 staff mod slots, and all the skills you need, at 99.



You really don’t know what you are talking when it comes to ghost and builds. And the above example is if you are 99. It gets worse if you are less than 99.

There is no room for venom on chaos, unless you have BiS slot claw that doesn’t exist.

[Erokai]

Or we could instead drop the 2x mind blast staff mods, in favor of 2xVenom.

Meaning, we gain 3 venom skills over BO side, but lose 6 mind blast points.

Gaining 3 venom but loosing 6 mind blast is a retarded idea.

[Erokai]

If you want to theory craft and live the the fairy tale land in which there is a high Ed eth Rep fools with 3venom, 3 weapon block, and 3 min blast, along with a glitched chaos suwayyah with 3venom, blade shield and 1-3 Lightning sentry , be my guest. You would be100% correct.

I’ll stick to the “real” world. Venom on chaos is dumb. In the real world, you are wrong.

[ForgottenDreamer]

To give another example build
say you're on a 102 dancer build on ladder where you cant get zbugs or import claws or valk and struggle to get good fools. Well you have +22 shadow skills on claw side and +25 cta side. You only need to skill 17 fade and you get 63% wb without any +skills on claws and cant reach 64% without absurd claws (+3 chaos and +4-5 rare).
well at that point getting fade or wb on claws is useless, getting venom only matters at 4-6 total, and 6+ mb is still mandatory

now Im not saying thats better than a gore setup. Gore vs dancers is its own topic- gores would definitely want +2 wb on claws. If you leave it up to me I'll wind up skilling 1 claw mastery and 20 shadow master and just holding down level 50 mind blast namelocked on people on a full retard bison build

[Erokai]

[WinningBreeds]

This is why I wrote "almost being able to hardskill every needed skill they use".

But you're also wrong. You got no need to max fade for 50%dr (~ +3 hardpoints), you can have +2sin on offhand (+2 hardpoints), etc -> venom staff mod on claws is possible and can be BiS.

63wb is also debatable since it leaves you very restricted in gear choices and weaponry when you got a budget which we all have (well, not unless if you sell your car for that pixel claw). I wouldn't be able to use 08valk build since my fools and cruel doesn't have wb as an example. Meaning that a 62wb setup is the best build and frees up all the skill points you need. If you are on ladder and on a budget/ low level you wouldn't go 63wb anyway becouse it would cost you to much in items (would need a 3 staffmod chaos with rand cruel/fools). Some ghosts find WoF more useful than LS aswell, which also frees up for venom on claws. It's quite funny actually that you are calling me a residential in fairy tale town, when it's quite the opposite.

So, are we clear now that venom staffmods can be very useful in some scenarios?

I've never claimed that venom is BiS as a staff mod (but actually seems like it can be in fairy tale land). All I've done is correcting your unknowledge about ghosts in general and venom in particular which you are starting to grasp now it seems.

[DuckDuckGo]

[WinningBreeds]

On cruel side, before venom, I have 2908-3729 damage.

I can’t math well but I believe that’s more than 3000 average damage before venom.

I mean I didn’t take out the cold damage from raven frost or the lightning damage from highlords, but....

[ForgottenDreamer]

[Erokai]

[Erokai]

[ForgottenDreamer]

[DuckDuckGo]

[WinningBreeds]

[ForgottenDreamer]

even with a rather ridiculous pseudo-bvb setup with steelrends and a craft belt, even with 205 strength and 133 dex and 120% ed on gear + 183% claw mastery - 10% whirlwind, you're adding up to 355 min damage and 546.5% ed = 2295 damage
what did you do, socket doom thirst with 2x ohms? Overstat str/dex by a ton? I mean, once we're talking about what's effectively a female BvB and not a ghost, this has already gone off the rails. But you're still short 600 damage

[DuckDuckGo]

[Erokai]

d have to check if the 2900-3700 damage is with my OHm Ohm doom thirst or my Lo Ber doom thirst. Seeing as I have 2, I didn’t tKe the time to check, which one was equipped.

Was just more proving that my 3000-3200 avg phys damage is 100% possible.