To rep or not to rep

Sensei · Posted: 08 May 2012 09:56 am Post subject: To rep or not to rep

So i'm proposing to modify the rep system. Please take also time to check the latests posts, thanks.

I've seen some ideas, crossing the forums, and i've mixed them with some of mines.
Here we go.

For scammers on this site it's easy to get a lot of rep with their loads of multi.
Rep for rep, seems to be even often asked (readed that in some scammer complaint, and others parts of forums). Asking for a rep after a good trade, really usefull comment should not be allowed.
It must be a "reward'.

So it would be nice to modify the attribution rep system and give more conditions :

- Raise the post count needed to 250+
- Be active member for over 2 months (or more ?) That doesn't mean being subscribed to the site 2 months or more, it's being active. You'll have to post at least 1 message / day for 1- 2 months (31 - 61 days).
Unless this condition is not obtained you cannot give any rep points.
- Also you could not rep user that have no rights to rep.

The conditions should seems rude (or not enough, discuss about it), but it can be revised, and well that could help reduce (even a bit).
the percentage of scams. Why ? Cause making multi will be getting boring.

Edit : added Tylr proposal too :
"Maybe we should add a required thread link to them"

NothingButaPeanut · Posted: 08 May 2012 10:13 am Post subject:

The reputation system certainly needs to be reworked but I disagree on the suggested changes:
- Fakereps from new members are easy to detect if the user has some degree of intellect...
- The amount of active users on this site is low. Most people only come to buy/sell fg.

I think there is a fundamental problem with how the reputation is given by older members. Take the user Crai for example.
http://www.d3jsp.org/profile.php?mode=reputation&u=3513

A known scammer that is given reps by half the staff/retired staff team? If you read them it's obvious none of them comes from trades. Most likely given because he joined their guild or was being nice in chat or smt.
With so many staff members stating what a nice person he is it isn't surprising new members get tricked into trading with him.

I think old members on this site, especially staff, needs to be more careful with whom they give reputation. It should only be given after trades/helping etc.

Sensei · Posted: 08 May 2012 10:49 am Post subject:

Ref · Posted: 08 May 2012 11:04 am Post subject:

it is already at 50 post, min req since the forums are not sooo active, it is hard to get to tht 50 post mark
it is veryy ez to spot a scammer if u check there is small page looking icon near ur rep as references, if there is no reference obv most of them are fake reps
i aggree no one should rep u, unless u make a trade, not for join clan, not for using his PICS/Sig/Banners he Made.

& if someone is asking for a fake rep report it asap, 99% possible scammers

Sensei · Posted: 08 May 2012 11:23 am Post subject:

NothingButaPeanut · Posted: 08 May 2012 11:47 am Post subject:

The noob scammers are the ones that make tons of multies and rep himself. Occasionally they are lucky and scam a new member for a lot but usually they get detected and banned quite fast.
Perhaps they manage to pull of some small scam first.

The more dangerous type of scammers are the ones that creates one account and then use it actively for a time. They do some trades, befriend staff etc and then pull off a monster scam.
Stopping the 2nd type is a lot harder.

Tylr · Posted: 08 May 2012 11:50 am Post subject:

Sensei · Posted: 08 May 2012 11:59 am Post subject:

Korky · Posted: 08 May 2012 12:10 pm Post subject:

i think i never linked post reference in my reps ... when i rep i click on the pm and give rep ...
and for same scammers ... maybe if we all email paypal when scammers chargeback they will suspend their account ? ..
maybe you can put requierement to be able to post in selling trading .... ? ( having a verified paypal ? ps ? or any other payment method ? we must verify it with a moderator and they grant us access )

Sensei · Posted: 08 May 2012 12:15 pm Post subject:

Korky · Posted: 08 May 2012 12:24 pm Post subject:

NothingButaPeanut · Posted: 08 May 2012 12:51 pm Post subject:

Sensei · Posted: 08 May 2012 01:25 pm Post subject:

Yes if you goes that way it's not that hard to code it.
But i had in mind 60 posts in 60 differents days.
Cause if you do let's say 55 day to day post without any oblivion, and then you forget one
or you have internet trouble and can't connect, even with load of motivate, not sure you'll
try it again, and that won't be right in the end.

Well last time i did coded something we were using html 4.0, so maybe it's a bit easier nowadays :p

NothingButaPeanut · Posted: 08 May 2012 01:33 pm Post subject:

If that's how you meant it's even simpler.. Just select the posts and group by day:P
Easily done with php and mysql really....

Then again im not familiar with phpBB. Not sure how easy it is to configure.

I like the idea btw. Spamming the forum to give reps would no longer work. It would take 60 days.
But in the end I'm not sure how much it would help really. Like I said, main problem is elsewhere.

Sensei · Posted: 08 May 2012 01:47 pm Post subject:

Well, i've thinked about it (think in french, was easier than in english finally briggrin

).

Yes the problem is not there, but hope it could put a certain cooldown on scammers new multi's waves.
They should be 2 options that could do the job :
- Linking your paypal account when you subscribe.
- Use a special cookie which will find information about you, so whenever you'll try to make a multi, the cookie could reccord that.

Personnally i'm against this kind of proceed, even if that could be the only solution.

Anyways maybe something can be worked out from my suggestion (the ones in 1st post derisive

)
They can be completed, improved by others users' ideas.
Hope it just can open some doors.

Tylr · Posted: 08 May 2012 02:08 pm Post subject:

Dnote · Posted: 08 May 2012 02:22 pm Post subject:

if you ask me rep needs more req.

if anything it would raise activity, people need to post and trade and be seen behaving in a gm fashion to acquire rep.
with rep harder to get, it would make it more "valuable" for trading purpose.
if something is more valuable, people are more apt to work harder for it.

it certainly wouldn't drive people away.... "oh i need 150 post and a member for 2 months before i can rep? fuck that im leaving".... i think not...
but be able to receive rep with any status.
so new commers, how are looking to trade and go first can get repped for good trading.

Tylr · Posted: 08 May 2012 02:49 pm Post subject:

I think 2 months is a little to long for handing them out.
Maybe like..a month at max
Maybe I'm just too lenient lol.

Sensei · Posted: 08 May 2012 04:38 pm Post subject:

Well a month should allready be a long time, in my opinion.
But as i writted on previous posts.
It's not hard to make much post a day.
They could easily do the 100- 150 - 200 posts in a few day (even one single day, seems unbelievable, but on d2jsp they were some spammers with high post counts and hig ppd).
And then they could just let this account run for a month, while they are working on the 2nd one, then the 3rd etc...

Dnote · Posted: 08 May 2012 08:38 pm Post subject: