With regards to giveaways - Getting d2jsp mods involved?

iIntrigue

This was yuna's idea and I just wanted to expand on it.

Do you think we should ask d2jsp mods to sticky our Guild: Trust FG giveaway on d2jsp in Scammer Accusations?

anomy

iIntrigue · Posted: 07 Mar 2007 01:04 pm Post subject:

It'll come in itself, if u post there there's going to be a place to donate.

anomy · Posted: 07 Mar 2007 01:17 pm Post subject:

*Curti* · Posted: 07 Mar 2007 02:00 pm Post subject:

and u cud only really refund people where the "scammer" gets a tag and l;ocked fg ..otherwise loadsa ppls will say they got scammed 50 times for 100000k fg briggrin

iIntrigue · Posted: 07 Mar 2007 02:59 pm Post subject:

I believe its more complicated than that curti. 2 people coule prepare an elaborate involving massive amounts of FG that was "scammed" in order to be refunded. Also, if jsp refunded all scammed FG, people wouldn't bother indulging in safe trade practices since they know theres always a backup in which they will be refunded. Finally, scammed FG can be used to make a legit trade therefore the scammer would go unpunished since he would have managed to acquire an item that was not legitimately his.

There is a way to transfer FG among people without jsp being able to track it back to lock whom the gold has been sent to, but I'm not going to mention it. I belive this is why Paul doesn't do a refund system.

bit · Posted: 07 Mar 2007 04:21 pm Post subject:

I think there are many things that need to happen for this to work.
1) Guild trust donors should be presented by just the guild name.
2) People outside of guild should have their name presented.
3) Donations should be given to people who have shown they have little net worth, used proper trading techniques (aka got them locked), and have no asked for donations them selves. Concentrate, when possible on users that are positive in the community.
4) Let Martin / dad / paul / someone who is very fluent in these things decide who gets the donations.
5) Thread should be stickied and locked and updated /w donation info.

The purpose of this is to encourage people to be well behaved, and use proper trading techniques.

Just my 2 cents..

Alicia · Posted: 07 Mar 2007 04:41 pm Post subject:

This could be easily abused. Plus I really don't think the Moderators would care much about it. And we wouldn't have sufficient funds to help out even half of those who get scammed in one day. We are drastically lacking capital and how many people would contribute to this cause is still an unknown factor. I believe that you should wait at least a while to see how well this goes, if your project is successful and grows to a considerable size then you probably should try approaching a Moderator about this.

For now, it is too insignificant, although it is a excellent project, it still lacks time and size.

bit · Posted: 07 Mar 2007 06:14 pm Post subject:

Alicia · Posted: 07 Mar 2007 06:23 pm Post subject:

The heart of this project is to benefit those who got scammed. Not so that people can compete in donating the most Fg so they can seem cool. That I strongly disagree with.

1000 Fg a month isn't even enough to cover a half hour worth of scams.

You seem to take my opinion the wrong way. I'm not criticizing the whole thing, I'm in support of it. You can indeed change the lives of a few people but then those who aren't helped will complain even more.

People will just start getting friends who don't use JSP to play out a fake scam. How hard is it to do that? They can just get any friend to fake out a trade and share the profit even.

Moderators will think it's good? I'm not so sure on that. Guess we'll have to find out. Am I saying they're evil? No. Some of them are quite nice, I acknowledge this.

It's a good enough thing by theory, but once the theory is applied, I believe it's better off just keeping it to ourselves.

bit · Posted: 07 Mar 2007 07:58 pm Post subject:

Alicia · Posted: 07 Mar 2007 08:14 pm Post subject:

Well I'm still standing on my position that these things are better off not noted, donations should be done to help...not to receive recognition, saying this from experience, but Jordan raised some good points too so it's up to them to decide now, I'm done throwing my views in.

xXxNeCroSiSxXx · Posted: 08 Mar 2007 05:29 am Post subject:

Im not really sure what to say on this topic ill just leave you guys to choose but i think it could be good and bad sad

iIntrigue · Posted: 08 Mar 2007 08:34 am Post subject:

mebe a tentative poking around could work for the moment

xXxNeCroSiSxXx · Posted: 08 Mar 2007 10:10 am Post subject:

yea maybe

GG101 · Posted: 13 Mar 2007 07:11 pm Post subject:

Good idea

Texazon · Posted: 19 Mar 2007 12:09 pm Post subject:

The Mods are extremly busy with the post count, although victims rights advocates and social services are important, I think we should focus on creating an example for the trade community.

I think the donation concept is great, but we should not appear to be patting ourselves on the back for it.
Let's quietly do the right thing to the best of our ability.

Jeff's heart is in the right place, but I agree with Rina, let's continue the donations without appearing to be doing it to achieve an agenda.

SinLin · Posted: 26 Mar 2007 03:29 pm Post subject:

how would i go about donating to this? i think its a great idea if they have all of the required information on the scam / trade.

iIntrigue · Posted: 26 Mar 2007 03:30 pm Post subject:

SinLin --> check the giveaway section

Evilution · Posted: 27 Mar 2007 07:21 pm Post subject:

good idea but dont do it

this would cause a lot more spam and d2jsp doesnt need any more of that. it is inevetable that many people would take advantage of this.