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Parasola
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#21 Posted: 05 Nov 2008 07:54 pm Post subject: |
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Maddi wrote: | treezzzzz wrote: | whatever. you still haven't posted up the full spec for the circlet that you claim is "better" than a shako. ill assume this is because you realize that it isnt and are just trying to be an idiot |
If you really want to see it you'll download the mod.
The reason I'm not showing it, is because I choose not to.
I'd rather you went and found it. Less for me to do.
Parasola wrote: | even if that circlet exists this guy cant afford it
therefore shako is best for him
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That's not the argument.
I was just saying circlet/bloodfist is a perfectly good alternative. | \\\
actually u need a good circlet to beat shako and for that u need good fg
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#22 Posted: 05 Nov 2008 07:56 pm Post subject: |
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@ trez
this is what shes talking about but even if it spawned it would cost xxk fg
thats d3jsp btw but d3jsp server is just stolen copy of d3jsp so its the same _________________ This user's signature has been disabled |
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#23 Posted: 05 Nov 2008 08:40 pm Post subject: |
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so with that circlet plus a bfist, you have total:
2 paladin
20 fcr
20 dex (20 total relevent points)
100 life
20 resist
30 fhr - not useful, as you will already be hitting 86 fhr and 200 is impossible
10 ias - not useful
2 socket - 2x ber perhaps?
versus shako and trangs:
2 all skill
148 life
10 dr
2 all stats (6 total relevent points)
20 fcr
30 cold resist
1 socket - 1x ber
PROS/CONS:
+14 relevent points
+20 fire/light/poison res
-2 levels of bo
-48 life
-2 dr
-10 cold res
Now, the 14 relevent points translates into 42 more life, since paladins get 3 life per vit point. so what you are REALLY trading is:
+20 fire/lite/poison resist
FOR
-2 levels of bo
-6 life
-2 dr
-10 cold resist
Now assuming that you have your life/resist charms in order, the fire resist is useless, since fire sorcs do not use very much -enemy fire resistance items, so even a little bit of stacking is sufficient. So is poison (i personally have maxed poison res even with lower resist curse on, and poison necros are trivial to kill anyways).
So now it really becomes trading
+20 lite
FOR
-2 levels of bo
-6 life
-2 dr
-10 cold resist
Now, the light sorc has either 3 lightning facets or 2 facets and an infinity. With 3 facets maxing resist is trivial and you don't need that extra lightning resist. With infinity, you got -10 (from facets) -85 (from conv) and -55 (from infinity). That's -150 total. Now on the other hand, we have cold sorcs, which has -255 (cold mastery) -35 (fathom) -10 (facets) for a total of -300 resist (maybe even more with different builds).
Now stacking +150 with charms and gear is not all that bad (you get 150 or more just from charms), but stacking 300 is pretty damn crazy. So basically we note that cold resist is in much higher demand. Which begs the question: HOW is the circlet build better? Pray tell... _____________________
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#24 Posted: 05 Nov 2008 09:50 pm Post subject: |
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That's assuming I'd use viper tramples with my build.
I'd use waterwalks.
Which means I gain another 2 dex, so minus the -6 life. 65 additional life, plus bo. So add 100 life.
5% max resist, which you need badly for fire sorcs.
And like you said, I should already have lots of resists, so your vtramps are useless.
In the end I'm losing 2 bo and 2 dr for a ton of replacement life, dex, and 5 max res, 10 fhr.
Like I said... it's a perfectly good alternative.
And I'd gain 30 cold res if I went with 40 cold res instead of 90 mana.
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#25 Posted: 05 Nov 2008 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Maddi wrote: | That's assuming I'd use viper tramples with my build.
I'd use waterwalks.
Which means I gain another 2 dex, so minus the -6 life. 65 additional life, plus bo. So add 100 life.
5% max resist, which you need badly for fire sorcs.
And like you said, I should already have lots of resists, so your vtramps are useless.
In the end I'm losing 2 bo and 2 dr for a ton of replacement life, dex, and 5 max res, 10 fhr.
Like I said... it's a perfectly good alternative.
And I'd gain 30 cold res if I went with 40 cold res instead of 90 mana. |
waterwalks doesnt give any actual res, only max res
and you are gonna need that res vs blizzard sorcs because they WILL tear through your resists. even with all 20/11 cold charms it's still not enough to counteract their mastery (assuming standard 5 pcombat 22 small charm build; otherwise your damage will suck). _____________________
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#26 Posted: 06 Nov 2008 12:05 am Post subject: |
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treezzzzz wrote: | Maddi wrote: | That's assuming I'd use viper tramples with my build.
I'd use waterwalks.
Which means I gain another 2 dex, so minus the -6 life. 65 additional life, plus bo. So add 100 life.
5% max resist, which you need badly for fire sorcs.
And like you said, I should already have lots of resists, so your vtramps are useless.
In the end I'm losing 2 bo and 2 dr for a ton of replacement life, dex, and 5 max res, 10 fhr.
Like I said... it's a perfectly good alternative.
And I'd gain 30 cold res if I went with 40 cold res instead of 90 mana. |
waterwalks doesnt give any actual res, only max res
and you are gonna need that res vs blizzard sorcs because they WILL tear through your resists. even with all 20/11 cold charms it's still not enough to counteract their mastery (assuming standard 5 pcombat 22 small charm build; otherwise your damage will suck). |
I know. That's why I said 5 MAX fire res... Which is the important part. Because like you said, they don't have -res.
And all 20/11 charms is well enough to counteract mastery.
It's not as hard as you think if you set your build to it.
But you're just saying something that your build is the same on. It's completely irrelevant. |
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#27 Posted: 06 Nov 2008 02:06 am Post subject: |
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Maddi wrote: | treezzzzz wrote: | Maddi wrote: | That's assuming I'd use viper tramples with my build.
I'd use waterwalks.
Which means I gain another 2 dex, so minus the -6 life. 65 additional life, plus bo. So add 100 life.
5% max resist, which you need badly for fire sorcs.
And like you said, I should already have lots of resists, so your vtramps are useless.
In the end I'm losing 2 bo and 2 dr for a ton of replacement life, dex, and 5 max res, 10 fhr.
Like I said... it's a perfectly good alternative.
And I'd gain 30 cold res if I went with 40 cold res instead of 90 mana. |
waterwalks doesnt give any actual res, only max res
and you are gonna need that res vs blizzard sorcs because they WILL tear through your resists. even with all 20/11 cold charms it's still not enough to counteract their mastery (assuming standard 5 pcombat 22 small charm build; otherwise your damage will suck). |
I know. That's why I said 5 MAX fire res... Which is the important part. Because like you said, they don't have -res.
And all 20/11 charms is well enough to counteract mastery.
It's not as hard as you think if you set your build to it.
But you're just saying something that your build is the same on. It's completely irrelevant. |
your matchup against fire sorcs is already perfectly fine, and even if it isn't you have infernostrides (100% gm) to save your ass. The real problems you are gonna have is vs light and blizz. 22x 20/11's (this ofc leaves you with NO lightning res) gives you 242. They have -300 and Hell difficulty on their side.
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#28 Posted: 06 Nov 2008 04:44 am Post subject: |
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treezzzzz wrote: | Maddi wrote: | treezzzzz wrote: | Maddi wrote: | That's assuming I'd use viper tramples with my build.
I'd use waterwalks.
Which means I gain another 2 dex, so minus the -6 life. 65 additional life, plus bo. So add 100 life.
5% max resist, which you need badly for fire sorcs.
And like you said, I should already have lots of resists, so your vtramps are useless.
In the end I'm losing 2 bo and 2 dr for a ton of replacement life, dex, and 5 max res, 10 fhr.
Like I said... it's a perfectly good alternative.
And I'd gain 30 cold res if I went with 40 cold res instead of 90 mana. |
waterwalks doesnt give any actual res, only max res
and you are gonna need that res vs blizzard sorcs because they WILL tear through your resists. even with all 20/11 cold charms it's still not enough to counteract their mastery (assuming standard 5 pcombat 22 small charm build; otherwise your damage will suck). |
I know. That's why I said 5 MAX fire res... Which is the important part. Because like you said, they don't have -res.
And all 20/11 charms is well enough to counteract mastery.
It's not as hard as you think if you set your build to it.
But you're just saying something that your build is the same on. It's completely irrelevant. |
your matchup against fire sorcs is already perfectly fine, and even if it isn't you have infernostrides (100% gm) to save your ass. The real problems you are gonna have is vs light and blizz. 22x 20/11's (this ofc leaves you with NO lightning res) gives you 242. They have -300 and Hell difficulty on their side.
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Your build is no different in that department... |
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#29 Posted: 06 Nov 2008 04:53 am Post subject: |
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#30 Posted: 06 Nov 2008 05:07 am Post subject: |
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treezzzzz wrote: | i has more res |
15 cold res won't make a huge difference. lol |
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#31 Posted: 06 Nov 2008 05:14 am Post subject: |
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Maddi wrote: | treezzzzz wrote: | i has more res |
15 cold res won't make a huge difference. lol |
it's still pretty good
also you should make a dota game you have to refresh the slots
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#32 Posted: 06 Nov 2008 06:01 am Post subject: |
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treezzzzz wrote: | Maddi wrote: | treezzzzz wrote: | i has more res |
15 cold res won't make a huge difference. lol |
it's still pretty good
also you should make a dota game you have to refresh the slots |
I don't like dota. |
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#33 Posted: 06 Nov 2008 10:05 am Post subject: |
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that circ is gfg and is priceless.
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#34 Posted: 06 Nov 2008 03:48 pm Post subject: |
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bud_690 wrote: | that circ is gfg and is priceless. |
it may look gfg, but in reality shako is better than it _____________________
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#35 Posted: 06 Nov 2008 06:25 pm Post subject: |
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treezzzzz wrote: | bud_690 wrote: | that circ is gfg and is priceless. |
it may look gfg, but in reality shako is better than it |
correction
its gfg but shako > for hammerdin
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#36 Posted: 06 Nov 2008 08:09 pm Post subject: |
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i love shakos. _____________________
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#37 Posted: 07 Nov 2008 06:08 pm Post subject: |
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i vouch this FCR bps: 0% 9% 18% 30% 48% 75% 125% _____________________
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#38 Posted: 09 Nov 2008 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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we already went over that.
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