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 #1 Posted: 04 Nov 2008 10:16 pm Post subject: FCR bp for hammers? |
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I am wondering to go with p upped hoz or p spirit
Lmk what u think
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| #2 Posted: 04 Nov 2008 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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FCR bps: 0% 9% 18% 30% 48% 75% 125%
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| #3 Posted: 04 Nov 2008 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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FHR Frames
0% 9
7% 8
15% 7
27% 6
48% 5
86% 4
200% 3
4680% 2
FCR Frames
0% 15
9% 14
18% 13
30% 12
48% 11
75% 10
125% 9
Paladin (With Holy shield)
FBR Frames
0% 2
86% 1
Paladin (Without Holy shield)
FBR Frames
0% 5
13% 4
32% 3
86% 2
600% 1 |
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| #4 Posted: 05 Nov 2008 05:40 am Post subject: |
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depends if you are pvm or pvp
if pvm then go with hoz cuz that's +1 ist rune -> more mf
if pvp shako/spirit is the ONLY hammerdin build. (NO, valkadins are NOT good)
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| #5 Posted: 05 Nov 2008 05:46 am Post subject: |
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| treezzzzz wrote: | depends if you are pvm or pvp
if pvm then go with hoz cuz that's +1 ist rune -> more mf
if pvp shako/spirit is the ONLY hammerdin build. (NO, valkadins are NOT good) |
Circlet is also acceptable. 
You can go shako/trangs or circlet/bloodfist |
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| #6 Posted: 05 Nov 2008 05:48 am Post subject: |
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| Maddi wrote: | | treezzzzz wrote: | depends if you are pvm or pvp
if pvm then go with hoz cuz that's +1 ist rune -> more mf
if pvp shako/spirit is the ONLY hammerdin build. (NO, valkadins are NOT good) |
Circlet is also acceptable.
You can go shako/trangs or circlet/bloodfist |
it's both more expensive and not as good.
shako gives you more of what you want, and the fhr from the bfists is not necessary (considering you get it all from your vtramps and your spirit, which you are using anyways).
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| #7 Posted: 05 Nov 2008 05:53 am Post subject: |
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| treezzzzz wrote: | | Maddi wrote: | | treezzzzz wrote: | depends if you are pvm or pvp
if pvm then go with hoz cuz that's +1 ist rune -> more mf
if pvp shako/spirit is the ONLY hammerdin build. (NO, valkadins are NOT good) |
Circlet is also acceptable.
You can go shako/trangs or circlet/bloodfist |
it's both more expensive and not as good.
shako gives you more of what you want, and the fhr from the bfists is not necessary (considering you get it all from your vtramps and your spirit, which you are using anyways). |
Not as good is false. It's actually better.
More resists, more fhr, about equal life.
Can also give some nice dex for your block.
But we are both talking in different terms here.
So this argument is a little pointless.
You're including dupes, and I'm including perfects.
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| #8 Posted: 05 Nov 2008 05:54 am Post subject: |
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| Maddi wrote: | | treezzzzz wrote: | | Maddi wrote: | | treezzzzz wrote: | depends if you are pvm or pvp
if pvm then go with hoz cuz that's +1 ist rune -> more mf
if pvp shako/spirit is the ONLY hammerdin build. (NO, valkadins are NOT good) |
Circlet is also acceptable.
You can go shako/trangs or circlet/bloodfist |
it's both more expensive and not as good.
shako gives you more of what you want, and the fhr from the bfists is not necessary (considering you get it all from your vtramps and your spirit, which you are using anyways). |
Not as good is false. It's actually better.
More resists, more fhr, about equal life.
Can also give some nice dex for your block. |
damage reduction? bo level? i think not....
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| #9 Posted: 05 Nov 2008 05:54 am Post subject: |
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| treezzzzz wrote: | | Maddi wrote: | | treezzzzz wrote: | | Maddi wrote: | | treezzzzz wrote: | depends if you are pvm or pvp
if pvm then go with hoz cuz that's +1 ist rune -> more mf
if pvp shako/spirit is the ONLY hammerdin build. (NO, valkadins are NOT good) |
Circlet is also acceptable.
You can go shako/trangs or circlet/bloodfist |
it's both more expensive and not as good.
shako gives you more of what you want, and the fhr from the bfists is not necessary (considering you get it all from your vtramps and your spirit, which you are using anyways). |
Not as good is false. It's actually better.
More resists, more fhr, about equal life.
Can also give some nice dex for your block. |
damage reduction? bo level? i think not.... |
You can add in a ber rune. And it's 2% less.
And 2 bo level is considered when I say equal life. |
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| #10 Posted: 05 Nov 2008 05:57 am Post subject: |
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| Maddi wrote: | | treezzzzz wrote: | | Maddi wrote: | | treezzzzz wrote: | | Maddi wrote: | | treezzzzz wrote: | depends if you are pvm or pvp
if pvm then go with hoz cuz that's +1 ist rune -> more mf
if pvp shako/spirit is the ONLY hammerdin build. (NO, valkadins are NOT good) |
Circlet is also acceptable.
You can go shako/trangs or circlet/bloodfist |
it's both more expensive and not as good.
shako gives you more of what you want, and the fhr from the bfists is not necessary (considering you get it all from your vtramps and your spirit, which you are using anyways). |
Not as good is false. It's actually better.
More resists, more fhr, about equal life.
Can also give some nice dex for your block. |
damage reduction? bo level? i think not.... |
You can add in a ber rune. And it's 2% less.
And 2 bo level is considered when I say equal life. |
before you go any further why don't you enlighten us as to the exact stats of this rediculous circlet that has every mod in the game?
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| #11 Posted: 05 Nov 2008 05:59 am Post subject: |
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| treezzzzz wrote: | | before you go any further why don't you enlighten us as to the exact stats of this rediculous circlet that has every mod in the game? |
Like I said, you're talking dupes, I'm talking perfects.
Play the d3jsp private mod and you'll see the circlet.
Except maybe 40 cold res instead of 90 mana. |
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| #12 Posted: 05 Nov 2008 06:03 am Post subject: |
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| Maddi wrote: | | treezzzzz wrote: | | before you go any further why don't you enlighten us as to the exact stats of this rediculous circlet that has every mod in the game? |
Like I said, you're talking dupes, I'm talking perfects.
Play the d3jsp private mod and you'll see the circlet.
Except maybe 40 cold res instead of 90 mana. |
what dupes? there aren't any commonly perm duped circlets that i'm aware of...
and lets see your perfect circlet (which also happens to have a one in a trillion chance of ever spawning on bnet, but that's a story for another day).
and as far as private servers go, anyone can create a private server with weird ass shit like homing hammers and 50 socketed short swords. you should prolly leave those out of your discussion.
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| treezzzzz wrote: | | Maddi wrote: | | treezzzzz wrote: | | before you go any further why don't you enlighten us as to the exact stats of this rediculous circlet that has every mod in the game? |
Like I said, you're talking dupes, I'm talking perfects.
Play the d3jsp private mod and you'll see the circlet.
Except maybe 40 cold res instead of 90 mana. |
what dupes? there aren't any commonly perm duped circlets that i'm aware of...
and lets see your perfect circlet (which also happens to have a one in a trillion chance of ever spawning on bnet, but that's a story for another day).
and as far as private servers go, anyone can create a private server with weird ass shit like homing hammers and 50 socketed short swords. you should prolly leave those out of your discussion. |
Uh, the items on the server are spawnable. I think I'll keep them in the discussion.
They seem to bring out the ignorance in you.
And by dupes I was refering to things like viper tramples, wraith bands, etc.
If you want to see the circlet, download the d3jsp mod for the server based on the very forum you moderate. |
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| #14 Posted: 05 Nov 2008 07:21 am Post subject: |
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| Maddi wrote: | | treezzzzz wrote: | | Maddi wrote: | | treezzzzz wrote: | | before you go any further why don't you enlighten us as to the exact stats of this rediculous circlet that has every mod in the game? |
Like I said, you're talking dupes, I'm talking perfects.
Play the d3jsp private mod and you'll see the circlet.
Except maybe 40 cold res instead of 90 mana. |
what dupes? there aren't any commonly perm duped circlets that i'm aware of...
and lets see your perfect circlet (which also happens to have a one in a trillion chance of ever spawning on bnet, but that's a story for another day).
and as far as private servers go, anyone can create a private server with weird ass shit like homing hammers and 50 socketed short swords. you should prolly leave those out of your discussion. |
Uh, the items on the server are spawnable. I think I'll keep them in the discussion.
They seem to bring out the ignorance in you.
And by dupes I was refering to things like viper tramples, wraith bands, etc.
If you want to see the circlet, download the d3jsp mod for the server based on the very forum you moderate. |
just because i moderate the forums doesn't mean i have to play d2 on it.
tramway doesn't even play logd any more, and it's the biggest minigame here.
also the chances of a 100% perfect circlet spawning under normal conditions is less than one in 1*10^18, so what you're referring to might as well be a fake item since nobody has ever gotten it legitly or probably ever will
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| #15 Posted: 05 Nov 2008 04:48 pm Post subject: |
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could you, for pvm, use dracs for +life after kill and spirit, instead of mfist and hoz?
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| treezzzzz wrote: | just because i moderate the forums doesn't mean i have to play d2 on it.
tramway doesn't even play logd any more, and it's the biggest minigame here.
also the chances of a 100% perfect circlet spawning under normal conditions is less than one in 1*10^18, so what you're referring to might as well be a fake item since nobody has ever gotten it legitly or probably ever will |
1 in 10^18 lol.
Only one person ever found viper tramples.
And it's quite likely someone found the same circlet slightly different.
19 res instead of 20. 19 dex instead of 20. 59 life instead of 60. |
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| Maddi wrote: | | treezzzzz wrote: | just because i moderate the forums doesn't mean i have to play d2 on it.
tramway doesn't even play logd any more, and it's the biggest minigame here.
also the chances of a 100% perfect circlet spawning under normal conditions is less than one in 1*10^18, so what you're referring to might as well be a fake item since nobody has ever gotten it legitly or probably ever will |
1 in 10^18 lol.
Only one person ever found viper tramples.
And it's quite likely someone found the same circlet slightly different.
19 res instead of 20. 19 dex instead of 20. 59 life instead of 60. |
whatever. you still haven't posted up the full spec for the circlet that you claim is "better" than a shako. ill assume this is because you realize that it isnt and are just trying to be an idiot
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| #18 Posted: 05 Nov 2008 07:29 pm Post subject: |
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even if that circlet exists this guy cant afford it
therefore shako is best for him
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| #19 Posted: 05 Nov 2008 07:41 pm Post subject: |
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| treezzzzz wrote: | | whatever. you still haven't posted up the full spec for the circlet that you claim is "better" than a shako. ill assume this is because you realize that it isnt and are just trying to be an idiot |
If you really want to see it you'll download the mod.
The reason I'm not showing it, is because I choose not to.
I'd rather you went and found it. Less for me to do.
| Parasola wrote: | even if that circlet exists this guy cant afford it
therefore shako is best for him
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That's not the argument.
I was just saying circlet/bloodfist is a perfectly good alternative. |
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| #20 Posted: 05 Nov 2008 07:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Maddi wrote: | | treezzzzz wrote: | | whatever. you still haven't posted up the full spec for the circlet that you claim is "better" than a shako. ill assume this is because you realize that it isnt and are just trying to be an idiot |
If you really want to see it you'll download the mod.
The reason I'm not showing it, is because I choose not to.
I'd rather you went and found it. Less for me to do.
| Parasola wrote: | even if that circlet exists this guy cant afford it
therefore shako is best for him
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That's not the argument.
I was just saying circlet/bloodfist is a perfectly good alternative. |
i think it's perfectly reasonable for you to justify your arguments with details (in this case items with either screenshots or stats). otherwise you could just refer to a different circlet every time i point out a weakness to your current one.
if you want to be convincing lay down your exact argument instead of this handwavy wishy washy stuff that you just pull out of your ass
my argument is that this hat, which has these stats:
Defense: 98-141 (varies)
Required Level: 62
Required Strength: 50
Durability: 12
+2 To All Skills
+ (1.5 Per Character Level) 1-148 To Life (Based On Character Level)
+ (1.5 Per Character Level) 1-148 To Mana (Based On Character Level)
Damage Reduced By 10%
50% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
+2 To All Attributes
when coupled with this pair of gloves, which has these stats:
Defense: 67-74 (varies)(Base Defense: 37-44)
Required Level: 45
Required Strength: 58
Durability: 16
+20% Faster Cast Rate
Cold Resist +30%
+30 Defense
+25% Poison Skill Damage
+2 To Curses (Necromancer Only)
provides more of what you need on a dueling hammerdin than any other combination of hats/gloves. if you would like to disprove my argument by counterexample (which is what you are apparenly trying to do with your bfist+circlet argument) then you should actually SHOW us your counterexample, instead of arbitrarily claiming that one exists.
if you are unable to do even this,then your argument basically holds no water and you admit to dodging.
also i'm fairly sure that almost anyone would agree with me that asking you to type out or screenshot and item as part of your argument is perfectly reasonable, whereas you insisting that I install a completely different version of diablo 2 just to see a single item that you are claiming exists is a little over the top, to say the least. furthermore, not only are you asking me to install your diablo 2 mod, you aren't even going to tell me which item it is i should be looking for after installing said mod.
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