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Post#1 Posted: 18 Oct 2008 05:40 pm    Post subject: Max dr/Max block necromancer Reply with quote

This guide is for nva.

Stats he should have by the end:
75% block
50% dr
3k+Life ( with self bo)
125fcr
86fhr.

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Stats:

str-> enough for gear ( i have base str cuz i have los of str gear ,enigma is a major help there as well)

Dex-> do this right after you got your gear on. Make sure you reach your maxblock .

Vita -> rest

Energy- > o

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Skills:
20 teeth
20 bonespear
20 bone spirit
20 bone armor
1 into amp ( for team duels)
1 into iron golem ( nice slow down effect)
10 into bone wall
10 into bone prison

if you get more vlvls just max bone wall or prison
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Gear i suggest:

weapon:
Hoto -> skills/fcr/res

Stash:
spirit sword v( for extra mana/fhr)
8bs 6bs white ( for nvn)
wizzy -> for extra res

Armor:
enigma hands down -> life/dr/skills/frw/teleport

Rings:
i use 2 x 10fcr str dex rings with 3x life

but 1 x fcr ring+ bk or soj works as well

Boots:
You can find many boots for necros all work good:
drw/fhr/dex /tri res boots
Treks
Waterwalks
etc.

Ammy:
Try to find something like storm circlet
2necro 20fcr/usefull stats (str/dex/life/res)

belt:
arach

Helm:
2/20/str/dex/life/res circlet:
put 2 x shaels inside ( For fhr)

Gloves:
trangs

Shield:
Storm shield -> with ber in it ( 43dr/cbf/str/ your main nva shield)
stash:
any fcr monarch for nvn ( with your gear ull reach fcr bp anyway)

switch:
6 bo cta
spirit

Inentory:
torch anni
2x 12fhr pnb gcs
7x 45lifer pnb gcs.
1x 5fhr/5res sc
9x 20/5 life/res scs.

Stash:
9x 20/11 cr scs
9x 20/11 lr scs

Stash:
Abasorb gear: ( only use for bm)
tgod
2 x wisps
2x dwarfs
hospurs
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#4, Strategies:
NOTE: I will not tell very much, its boring + you have to find ur own playstyle

How to make invisible spirit / spears (also works on fireball sorcs and all chars with missiles):
Its all about shooting when ur enemy is _NOT_ on ur screen, neither on ur map (u will have to "guess" wheres hes located)
Shoot spirits in the direction u think he is / will move. he will now not see the spirits when theyr on him.
If he shows up on ur map again, and u keep send spirits, the spirits sent when he was visible on ur map, wount be invisible.
(if u did not understand, PM me. i will try to answer)

Necro Versus Trap-assasin

Use atleast 1*whisp ring, or if u ask and ur allowed use thundergods.
If whisp only, play bit more defensive. try to make invisible spirits as explained.
If u got thundergood, or u feel u can be aggresive, then try aggro him, when he moves to lay new traps, THEN u should attack!

Necro Versus Necro (the funniest)

Mirror match, i give u 1 hint if the opponent has golem... use spear.
thats the only hint, nec vs nec is the funniest duel and i leave it out to u!

Necro Versus BvC

Just be careful when he leaps. if u wanna be uber-lame+defensive, then go some place, Spam bonewalls around you.
wait for him to come, when u see him, shoot some spirits on him, let him leap (DONT TELE AWAY), let him tele, let him whirlwind you. Just keep shooting.
The thing with the walls is, they will take 9/10 of the whirlwinds strikes. not you (lame but works).

Necro Versus bow-Amazon

Aggresive. Aggresive. tank them as fast as u can or else ur dead.

Necro Versus Java-amazon(the most boring)

I usually BM (bad manner) javazons coz theyr so boring, puting absorb etc. if u dont want, just spam spirits and avoid geting hit.
should be no problem

Necro Versus FB-Sorceress (the 2nd hardest)

Unless you dont have any absorb ur 99% dead if the sorc is energy shield 95%~~.
Just try to get in the hits so theyrs mana equal to zero, then tank them.

Note, if they use mana pots u got no chance w/o 95% res

Necro Versus LIGHT-sorceress (not as hard as Fcool

Do the same as in VS fb sorc.

Necro Versus ORB-Sorceress
(here u get use for the 20/11s cold)
Avoid geting "perfect hits". but this duel could take forever.

Necro Versus BLIZZARD-sorceress(hardest)
(20/11s cold)
Here u'r total chanceless without 1*raven, 320+ coldresist (20/11s, 115% wizz, etc)
even with this, its the hardest duel, u will die in 4 blizz with "best setup allowed"
Just try avoid the blizz, and try to be as close as possible all the time but not taking hits.

Necro Versus ELE-druid (3nd hardest)

Try teeth him first, (then oaks+wolf's dies)
Then either when wolfs+oaks dead u can just shoot after him. If he used bear(dont die of teeth) u must get a lucky namelock with the spirit. Else just spear him.
If he run away precast oak+wolfs, AGGRESIVE! get in 1 or more hits!.
Be careful, if he catch u ur 80% dead.
IF he get a namelock+hit u with tornado, Use run-mode first. click away from him _RUNNING_, then after teleport.
else u will just be stuck trying to teleport

Necro Versus Smiter(2nd-easiest)

I cant be arsed to explain all here, its very easy, abuse ur walls make a "house" to avoid he's passive charges.

Necro Versus Foh (easiest)
(20/11s light)
he got no chance with stacked resist, with wizz 115 lightres+ charms u will have 75% res After conviction.
_TANK HIM_ and he's dead fast.

Necro Versus Hammerdin

Hammerdin's are tricky... just be careful and dont be to aggresive and u will kill him.
Snipe alot

Necro Versus Hybrid-assasin

Bonewalls, be careful. try to namelock when running to make new traps.

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Post#2 Posted: 18 Oct 2008 06:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I just go pure damage on necromancers.
Only people that hit me are elementals anyway.

Maybe a high dr build for druids but that's about it.



Better solution for javazons:
Only need 1 wisp, incase you do get hit when first telestomping.

Just decrep them, telestomp, clay golem will hit them, then spam bonespear while they try to hit you.
They'll be too slow and too busy avoiding spears or getting hit to be able to do anything.
Full 100% aggression after you curse.

My (not necessarily better) solution for barbarians:
Circle him (not in a predictable way) and keep shooting spirits into the middle of the circle (his direction). If he tries attacking he'll get hit, if he runs he still may get hit or you'll be able to chase and spear him. If he teleports and whirlwinds near you but missing, spear his ass down and he will die. Every time he makes a mistake he is most likely to get hit.

Watch him carefully, you should be able to see when he teleports by character animation, then simply move. If he spams leap, just be patient then move again and keep shooting. I've killed many of the best with this. No bonewalls, no block, and about 24% dr.

Hammerdin:
Just some additions:
If he desynchs and you have no idea where he is, spam teeth in a circle around you. Be prepared at all times to walk down or any direction if he telestomps. If you're ready, and he misses, you'll most likely get a free bonespear hit.

Necro vs Necro:
Your clay golem is your BEST friend. Golem glitch (golem on top of you or right after you tele) will make him tank the first 1 or two hits, making you basically unhittable by spear as long as you keep recasting.


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Post#3 Posted: 18 Oct 2008 06:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nthx
bvc will rape you with no block.
i prefer having max dr for all annoyiung melees in private games.


Fc javazons will have time to do crap , 1 wisp wont absrb all damage .
teeth wont do too much damage to hdins. ( too slow)


this build was tested by me and doomtracker on us ladder last season
and on d3jsp ( i have it right now)

cursing barb in gm game = bm (descripfy)
ull get kicked out before you know it.

high dr for only druid LOL?

smiters, bvb, bva, zealers, pure wwsins, hybrid ww sins , Bvcs , wolf druids ,
there are tons of melee characters who will pwn you with no % block or no dr


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Post#4 Posted: 18 Oct 2008 06:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wont even go to how easily ull be raped by bowazons
with no dr/block

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Post#5 Posted: 18 Oct 2008 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Parasola wrote:
nthx
bvc will rape you with no block.
i prefer having max dr for all annoyiung melees in private games.

Fc javazons will have time to do crap , 1 wisp wont absrb all damage .
teeth wont do too much damage to hdins. ( too slow)

this build was tested by me and doomtracker on us ladder last season
and on d3jsp ( i have it right now)

cursing barb in gm game = bm (descripfy)
ull get kicked out before you know it.

high dr for only druid LOL?

smiters, bvb, bva, zealers, pure wwsins, hybrid ww sins , Bvcs , wolf druids ,
there are tons of melee characters who will pwn you with no % block or no dr


Wolf druids walk, they won't touch you
BvA are slow, they won't touch you
BvB walk, they won't touch you
Zealers and smiters charge, and they'll have enigma, so bone prison when they get near and shoot spear. If not, just teleport around spiriting. If they only tele, just avoid them easily.

Fc javazons won't have time, considering nobody can do fc perfectly. If they are using the hack then all sorb is game. 1 wisp isn't meant to absorb all damage, it's meant to tank like 2 hits or so before you're mass spearing the hell out of them.

And it all depends on what rules you play by for most curses. Anyway clay golem does plenty of slow, you don't even need the curse. Telestomp and spear down.

Like I said, I don't get touched by BvCs unless they are lucky.

Just leaves druids, which have advantage over necros, so you do need the dr.

Parasola wrote:
i wont even go to how easily ull be raped by bowazons
with no dr/block


I never planned on winning against bowzons. They have advantage as it is, and you'll never ever hit them without bming.


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Post#6 Posted: 18 Oct 2008 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nah

bvb can always put enigma on
so can bva.
wolf druids are fast with frw scs u can get hit.
i play by normal gm rules.

then you should plan more.
Boneprison+ bs spam
and wont go anywhere.

i dont know what kind of bvcs you are dueling but if they at least have a bit of skill
they would use leap + teleport
when you get close to them u get stunned name locked and in few secs they are on top of you thats where ull need dr/block.

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Parasola wrote:
nah

bvb can always put enigma on
so can bva.
wolf druids are fast with frw scs u can get hit.
i play by normal gm rules.

then you should plan more.
Boneprison+ bs spam
and wont go anywhere.

i dont know what kind of bvcs you are dueling but if they at least have a bit of skill
they would use leap + teleport
when you get close to them u get stunned name locked and in few secs they are on top of you thats where ull need dr/block.


BvB with enigma = BvA
BvA with fcr = BvC
Wolf Druids will never hit me if I'm ever dueling seriously.

I know they'd use teleport, that's why you watch for when they teleport. Leap doesn't really do anything except clear the battlefield of your spirits, after he teleports from leaping you can just move again.


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Post#8 Posted: 18 Oct 2008 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maddi wrote:
Parasola wrote:
nah

bvb can always put enigma on
so can bva.
wolf druids are fast with frw scs u can get hit.
i play by normal gm rules.

then you should plan more.
Boneprison+ bs spam
and wont go anywhere.

i dont know what kind of bvcs you are dueling but if they at least have a bit of skill
they would use leap + teleport
when you get close to them u get stunned name locked and in few secs they are on top of you thats where ull need dr/block.


BvB with enigma = BvA
BvA with fcr = BvC
Wolf Druids will never hit me if I'm ever dueling seriously.

I know they'd use teleport, that's why you watch for when they teleport. Leap doesn't really do anything except clear the battlefield of your spirits, after he teleports from leaping you can just move again.


Do you know Austin?


good for you.
you dont need fcr to teleport.
i dont know Austin.

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Parasola wrote:
Maddi wrote:
Parasola wrote:
nah

bvb can always put enigma on
so can bva.
wolf druids are fast with frw scs u can get hit.
i play by normal gm rules.

then you should plan more.
Boneprison+ bs spam
and wont go anywhere.

i dont know what kind of bvcs you are dueling but if they at least have a bit of skill
they would use leap + teleport
when you get close to them u get stunned name locked and in few secs they are on top of you thats where ull need dr/block.


BvB with enigma = BvA
BvA with fcr = BvC
Wolf Druids will never hit me if I'm ever dueling seriously.

I know they'd use teleport, that's why you watch for when they teleport. Leap doesn't really do anything except clear the battlefield of your spirits, after he teleports from leaping you can just move again.


Do you know Austin?


good for you.
you dont need fcr to teleport.
i dont know Austin.


I know you don't need fcr to teleport. What's your point?
You can't expect to catch a sorceress with 0 fcr.
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nice guide PROPS
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Post#11 Posted: 22 Oct 2008 08:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice guide but what gear do you use to hit 125 fcr and 86 fhr?
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Cloud wrote:
Nice guide but what gear do you use to hit 125 fcr and 86 fhr?


What are you talking about?
It's all there.
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Post#13 Posted: 30 Oct 2008 09:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

good discussion
nerds:D

ahah, im jk.
nice build.

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Nice guide my friend, I will use this info on my next necro this week and let you know how he does.
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I think I'm making a Necro!
anyone got 8bs white ft? XD
nice guide.

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bud_690 wrote:
I think I'm making a Necro!
anyone got 8bs white ft? XD
nice guide.



you can just use hoto
its good to switch to 8 bs white when dueling necros but hoto works good 2

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Completely disagree with your 12 fhr Gcs...

12 fhr GCs should never be used.

Here, I'll let you guess at what's better. For Fhr instead of Gcs.
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Badolzon wrote:
Completely disagree with your 12 fhr Gcs...

12 fhr GCs should never be used.

Here, I'll let you guess at what's better. For Fhr instead of Gcs.


What the heck does that mean ?

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Nice Guide.
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Cinemax wrote:
Badolzon wrote:
Completely disagree with your 12 fhr Gcs...

12 fhr GCs should never be used.

Here, I'll let you guess at what's better. For Fhr instead of Gcs.


What the heck does that mean ?


I mean, using 5/5 scs and using 45 vita lifers instead of using Fhr gcs with 20 lifer scs is better.
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