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Post#1 Posted: 10 Apr 2021 05:07 am    Post subject: Kictrap Build Hardcore Reply with quote

Thinking about trying out a kick/trap hybrid in hardcore.

Could need some opinions on improvements.

Gear:
Weapon: Lawbringer pb.
Shield: Storm 'um'
Belt: SoE
Armor: Enigma
Ring 1: Raven frost
Ring 2: Rare fcr/dual leech
Helm: Gface 'um'
Boots: Gore riders upg
Gloves: LoH
Amulet: Highlord's
Switch: wizzy + lidless for teleport? (using bo barb)

Merc a2 might aura:
Eth infy
Eth treachery
Gface 'cham'

Inventory:
Torch
Anni
Martial skillers with life? or trap sks life?
life/res scs

Str for gear
Dex for max block
Rest vita

Not 100% sure how to skill her?

Using fade overall.
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Post#2 Posted: 10 Apr 2021 05:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damage to demons from loh don't work with kicks
My choice of weapon would be stormlash.
Martial sks sucks, go trap sks if you want to be closer to a pure trap or go shadow sks to have better venom, shadow master, cloack of shadows, blade shield...
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Post#3 Posted: 10 Apr 2021 05:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ForgottenDreamer wrote:
Damage to demons from loh don't work with kicks
My choice of weapon would be stormlash.
Martial sks sucks, go trap sks if you want to be closer to a pure trap or go shadow sks to have better venom, shadow master, cloack of shadows, blade shield...



Ok thanks. So better to use draculs then?
Trap sks life ill try also.
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Post#4 Posted: 10 Apr 2021 05:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before chosing draculs first you must check if you reach the ias bp you want to use traps and to use dragon talon, maybe need 20ias on them. I haven't check.
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Post#5 Posted: 10 Apr 2021 05:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DuckDuckGo wrote:
Before chosing draculs first you must check if you reach the ias bp you want to use traps and to use dragon talon, maybe need 20ias on them. I haven't check.



IAS attack speed [ticks] attacks per second
0 4/4/4/4/10 4.8
2 4/4/4/4/9 5
5 3/3/3/3/9 5.95
18 3/3/3/3/8 6.25
46 3/3/3/3/7 6.57

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Post#6 Posted: 10 Apr 2021 05:09 am    Post subject: Re: Kictrap Build Hardcore Reply with quote

WinningBreeds wrote:
Thinking about trying out a kick/trap hybrid in hardcore.

Could need some opinions on improvements.

Gear:
Weapon: Lawbringer pb.
Shield: Storm 'um'
Belt: SoE
Armor: Enigma
Ring 1: Raven frost
Ring 2: Rare fcr/dual leech
Helm: Gface 'um'
Boots: Gore riders upg
Gloves: LoH
Amulet: Highlord's
Switch: wizzy + lidless for teleport? (using bo barb)

Merc a2 might aura:
Eth infy
Eth treachery
Gface 'cham'

Inventory:
Torch
Anni
Martial skillers with life? or trap sks life?
life/res scs

Str for gear
Dex for max block
Rest vita

Not 100% sure how to skill her?

Using fade overall.


i suggest this

skills:
20death sentri
5-20 dragon talon
1 dragon flight
rest is optional
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Post#7 Posted: 10 Apr 2021 05:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

why would gface be bad?
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Post#8 Posted: 10 Apr 2021 05:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WinningBreeds wrote:
why would gface be bad?


it does not boost traps

high cb is irrelevant (and 50% from lash + gores is more than enough already)

with andy + 2x 15ias jools in lash and storm you dont need any extra ias for faded kicks

that means free belt slot
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Post#9 Posted: 10 Apr 2021 05:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DuckDuckGo wrote:
WinningBreeds wrote:
why would gface be bad?


it does not boost traps

high cb is irrelevant (and 50% from lash + gores is more than enough already)

with andy + 2x 15ias jools in lash and storm you dont need any extra ias for faded kicks

that means free belt slot


so u want 0,6 multiplier to ur kick dmg instead of 1? its p8, point is to bring down 1 or 2 enemies fast as fuck with kick so death sentri can do their job.
when u brought down this monster/monsters the screen is low from infi boosted static and death sentries pops the screen.
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Post#10 Posted: 10 Apr 2021 05:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erokai wrote:
DuckDuckGo wrote:
WinningBreeds wrote:
why would gface be bad?


it does not boost traps

high cb is irrelevant (and 50% from lash + gores is more than enough already)

with andy + 2x 15ias jools in lash and storm you dont need any extra ias for faded kicks

that means free belt slot


so u want 0,6 multiplier to ur kick dmg instead of 1? its p8, point is to bring down 1 or 2 enemies fast as fuck with kick so death sentri can do their job.
when u brought down this monster/monsters the screen is low from infi boosted static and death sentries pops the screen.


i want 2skills from helm, flexible belt slot and red horns smile
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Post#11 Posted: 10 Apr 2021 05:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

soj/soj and cham

raven = noob kicker
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Post#12 Posted: 10 Apr 2021 05:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DuckDuckGo wrote:
soj/soj and cham

raven = noob kicker



well, depending on the setup, with stormlash for example, even if u shael it, u need 45 ias on rest of gear for max kick speed, theres no room for a cham left if using +3 trap 20fcr circlet and stormshield, and highlord, or glove slot used for ias, is not an option if want to keep traps up and 102 fcr bp... so best option is raven.

that, or not max kick speed, but this is awful.
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Post#13 Posted: 10 Apr 2021 05:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ForgottenDreamer wrote:
DuckDuckGo wrote:
soj/soj and cham

raven = noob kicker



well, depending on the setup, with stormlash for example, even if u shael it, u need 45 ias on rest of gear for max kick speed, theres no room for a cham left if using +3 trap 20fcr circlet and stormshield, and highlord, or glove slot used for ias, is not an option if want to keep traps up and 102 fcr bp... so best option is raven.

that, or not max kick speed, but this is awful.


Always talking about fadesins, ofc. Fade >>>>>>>>> all. BoS is just ok for Riftsin setup (for fun).
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Post#14 Posted: 10 Apr 2021 05:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ForgottenDreamer wrote:
DuckDuckGo wrote:
soj/soj and cham

raven = noob kicker



well, depending on the setup, with stormlash for example, even if u shael it, u need 45 ias on rest of gear for max kick speed, theres no room for a cham left if using +3 trap 20fcr circlet and stormshield, and highlord, or glove slot used for ias, is not an option if want to keep traps up and 102 fcr bp... so best option is raven.

that, or not max kick speed, but this is awful.


lets see:

lash 30
sheal 20 (actually 15)
cham + 1 free soc 15
storm 15
lord 20

= 100? :unsure:

im wrong or you mad?

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Post#15 Posted: 10 Apr 2021 05:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

why hlord? amu should be 3trap/10fcr
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Post#16 Posted: 10 Apr 2021 05:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DuckDuckGo wrote:
why hlord? amu should be 3trap/10fcr


i see whats wrong here, ok

it is basically 102fcr vs maxed speed...

ok lets say like that:

in p8 ds is not that important, so shattering via raven not a hard crime...
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Post#17 Posted: 10 Apr 2021 05:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ForgottenDreamer wrote:
ForgottenDreamer wrote:
DuckDuckGo wrote:
soj/soj and cham

raven = noob kicker



well, depending on the setup, with stormlash for example, even if u shael it, u need 45 ias on rest of gear for max kick speed, theres no room for a cham left if using +3 trap 20fcr circlet and stormshield, and highlord, or glove slot used for ias, is not an option if want to keep traps up and 102 fcr bp... so best option is raven.

that, or not max kick speed, but this is awful.


lets see:

lash 30
sheal 20 (actually 15)
cham + 1 free soc 15
storm 15
lord 20

= 100? :unsure:

im wrong or you mad?


u need 95 ias (no Bos, fade ofc) for max kick speed with stormlash. if u shael the lash, u still need 45 ias in rest of gear. So u need a raven for cbf in a stormshield (15ias/x jool)+3trap2fcr circlet (15ias/x x2 jools) setup... Unless not using stormshield, and using a 2 sox mosers or so, but seems a retarded option imo, ss is way better.

Tha'ts why i like azure: u shael it and solved.

And Cmoon over stormlash, cos less ias needed for max kick speed = 2bk/sojs and no raven needed.
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Post#18 Posted: 10 Apr 2021 05:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WinningBreeds wrote:
DuckDuckGo wrote:
why hlord? amu should be 3trap/10fcr


i see whats wrong here, ok

it is basically 102fcr vs maxed speed...

ok lets say like that:

in p8 ds is not that important, so shattering via raven not a hard crime...


ok u got it, feetgratulations.

Anyway u get a lot of corpses to explode with ds with high dmg traps, does not matter much if kicked mobs explode on ice.
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Post#19 Posted: 10 Apr 2021 05:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erokai wrote:
WinningBreeds wrote:
DuckDuckGo wrote:
why hlord? amu should be 3trap/10fcr


i see whats wrong here, ok

it is basically 102fcr vs maxed speed...

ok lets say like that:

in p8 ds is not that important, so shattering via raven not a hard crime...


ok u got it, feetgratulations.

Anyway u get a lot of corpses to explode with ds with high dmg traps, does not matter much if kicked mobs explode on ice.


oh ty good sir

im not a total noob here, and can use ias calc on somehow decent level happy

i hear what you are talking about
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Post#20 Posted: 10 Apr 2021 05:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i can agree 102fcr and blue trap items are waaay to good for p8, so we can sacrifice some corpses and use raven



but maybe we can do some voodoo with shield then? cheap 3s deflecting?
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