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than heres an idea
make it so members lower than 150 posts arnt allowed access
this way new members would not post porn etc etc not knowingly
and by the time thay hit 150 thay would know most of the rules.
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| #22 Posted: 04 Dec 2008 02:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Logic. wrote: | than heres an idea
make it so members lower than 150 posts arnt allowed access
this way new members would not post porn etc etc not knowingly
and by the time thay hit 150 thay would know most of the rules. |
Because I don't feel the need to dish out credit to anyone. I won't dish out the credit to you that you will pick up on the one point I made that elimates your argument altogether.
A post amount prerequisite is irrelevent, and not a countermeasure at all. Because you still leave many members out in the dark.
Sure, I agree some members can't take flaming. I won't argue that. But that's only because it's moot anyhow. They can ignore the forum all they want. But you don't take away the fact that they are then being excluded from thousands of posts they may want to partake in, but can't because "they can't take a flame." Not to mention you take out hundreds of potential posts for them to enjoy without, "the worry of being flamed."
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| #23 Posted: 04 Dec 2008 05:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Logic. wrote: | The battlefloor was designed for a place to have fun and post needless things
not to be moderated and just do what you want
jessmop/keefer have a diffrent idea thay would like to moderate it because thay cant take a flame.
on a side note tramway put it thare because he thought it would be a cool place to make it diffrent from d2jsp
so this post is actualy conredicting him and both sr.mods
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First off on your sidenote d2jsp DID have a battleground area (war room). It Utterly failed and it was removed, people don't know the difference between having a fun little argument and a pointless hate thread and it got out of control due to idiots just like the d3jsp one has.
Also those that like to "flame" MODS and others (that attempt to help run this site and keep it clean) for no reason are tools in my book anyway. You would think you kids would have a little appreciation for what we do around here but you don't.
And as for me or Keefer not being able to take a flame that is utter bullshit as well, nothing evern remotley clever or even amusing has been posted there to begin with. And as for myself you all may think I e-rage or cant take the heat but the fact of the matter is that I wont back down to anyone, once again why is it assumed that my replys are e-rages? Until one of you in here in front of me looking at my grin while typing a response then you can just keep on assuming. My MAIN point is that the Battlefield is an embarrassing part of this site and is bad news for new users and drives away current users inturn helping to the destroy the site further...
I cant believe people think its doing anything less....
1) Look at the topic makers (mostly 2 or 3 people)
2) Read some random posts there. (Do they make ANY sense ? Are they relevant at all to anything?)
3) Check our membership decline... (Any adult or semi adult or parent for that matter would not want to be involved with such a site).
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That's like point 14 and 15 for the throw the battlefield out side.
Still waiting for points for the battlefield to stay. Because I mean c'mon, all these people are defending it, it must have grounds to stay. That alone should give it grounds to stay, just because people say it should be here... /endsarcasm
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sorry guys, i've been so busy recently (working until 8 or 9 everyday) and didn't have much time to fix site problems. Battlefield was originally created to have "fun", such as posting random LOLCATs or funny topics like fails or posters that doesnt fit into any of the other sections. It is not designed for flaming of any kind or just randomly calling people out. We are usually really lenient since we want the place to be fun and to preserve the basic rights such as "freedom of speach". If people are just using the battlefield to insult other members, I believe there should be changes to some of our policies. Plus, the best way would be just to ignore those posts and not to "add-on", the trollers will eventually get bored and stop posting
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I think it actually would be better to have it removed, and for ppl to just keep their dumb remarks to themselved, if they want to post some random stuff, post it in general forum where it's moderated
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| megafusion wrote: | | I think it actually would be better to have it removed, and for ppl to just keep their dumb remarks to themselved, if they want to post some random stuff, post it in general forum where it's moderated |
Yes, this right here was one of the points I was trying to make.
The random pics and stuff, we can have a stickied thread for that or something.
Because one of the biggest problems I have with the battlefield is that if I want to see funny stuff, I would have to go to the Jokers Realm which is fairly dead because all the funny stuff is being posted in the Battlefield. But then I have to worry about seeing flame threads about me, "and it might offend me or whatever." Or I have to see others getting flamed to hell.
Now as for a change of policy, if that's the only route your willing to take, let me know, so I may make suggestions, and hopefully inspire other suggestions.
But I really see no point in allowing the place up if the flamefestia is still running rampant. I mean really, I'd like to read funny stuff, but I don't want to get caught up in flame wars.
Quickly, thanks to everyone who posted their opinions here. Much appreciated. For or opposed to the battlefield.
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| tramway wrote: | | sorry guys, i've been so busy recently (working until 8 or 9 everyday) and didn't have much time to fix site problems. Battlefield was originally created to have "fun", such as posting random LOLCATs or funny topics like fails or posters that doesnt fit into any of the other sections. It is not designed for flaming of any kind or just randomly calling people out. We are usually really lenient since we want the place to be fun and to preserve the basic rights such as "freedom of speach". If people are just using the battlefield to insult other members, I believe there should be changes to some of our policies. Plus, the best way would be just to ignore those posts and not to "add-on", the trollers will eventually get bored and stop posting |
the insults are basicly only being though over trying to take it away other then that its random nonesince just for fun
atm ill state what the top 10 threads are as of this post
1. post calling tramway out saying heres some cake
2. newpoulutions spam thread compeating vs tramways spam thread
3. schoolhackers spam thread that messes the thing up cause the one ( only 4 posts in it though )
4. newpoultuions calling keefer a queer that doesnt do anything
5. logic(jeff) made a thread called the but lick topic which theme is 
6. thread is intield I wub you all in which person is iso hugs
7. pinko is saying everyone is sick cause they dont talk like normal people and are flaming
8. newpoulution is calling jessmop a "c**t" because he said it should be a legal word if the n word isnt
9. keefer is posting that newpoulution is hatin on him and so is trezzzz
10. lambo(matt) is posting asking everyone to grow up
that =
2 spam threads
2 grow up threads
3 flame threads
3 for fun threads
also 1 of the spam threads is newpoultin having fun competing with trams spam thread
the flame threads are mostly caused do to people want the battlefield gone
however
8 of the threads at least were made for fun
what im saying is this "flameing others" is being blown way out of propertion
and ive been in flame wars for fun not attacks with some where it was pmed and deceided before hand to have the flame war
people just sit back and have fun seeesshhh
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| #29 Posted: 04 Dec 2008 07:06 pm Post subject: |
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nn
battlefield is good
dont go there = problems fixed
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| Parasola wrote: | nn
battlefield is good
dont go there = problems fixed |
vouch
double vouch
triple vouch
quad vouch
what he says
very quick soulution dont go there = problem fix
instead add a option for a user to make it so they cant see the battlefield
that would work better
then they dont even have to see the header
and to jessemop
as in with your three points
1.out of the top ten the following thread makers exist
happyguy44 2 threads
NewPolution 3 threads
Schoolhacker 1 thread
Logic. 1 thread
Pinko 1 thread
keefer7 1 thread
Lamborghini 1 thread
that is a total of 7 thread makes to 10 topics
2.The point of the posts are for fun some have little point others do but then what are the point to games? for fun the threads of nonesince were made for fun why yall cant see that is beyond me.
3.membership decline happend when d2 bans happend not because of the battlefield that existed before the d2 bans but it was at the point of d2 bans the decline happend
and for those that dont want to scroll up to see what jessmop posted here it is
| Quote: | 1) Look at the topic makers (mostly 2 or 3 people)
2) Read some random posts there. (Do they make ANY sense ? Are they relevant at all to anything?)
3) Check our membership decline... (Any adult or semi adult or parent for that matter would not want to be involved with such a site). |
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nthx
then all flamers will flame in general chat
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nah ill just go find another site that will support freedom of speach
like when i left d2jsp to come to d3jsp
as to tyler when you go to name calling it just shows your own ignorance
and the flame threads exist soloy because the battlefield has be threatened its the only reason they exist
if not they would not be there well cept for the one where i flame myself and that is so OBVIOUSLY meant to be serious and hurtful towards me
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You just heard it from Tramway. I mean I didn't know about that stuff. But he said it himself. The stuff that goes on in there, is often times not what the forum was intended for. (Yes I realize that LOLCATS wouldn't be around for 2 years or whatever and the theme would change) The fact that the flaming is foreshadowing the fun stuff just speaks how loudly that it isn't being intended to be fun or funny anymore.
And just having 2 flame threads in that top 10 doesn't remove the fact that they are there, and what I saw about 3 weeks ago, dominated the top 7 posts in there.
And besides that place was built for spamming, hence there are so many spam threads in that top 10. The point I was making wasn't that flaming was the whole base of the posts there. I never suggested such a thing. I was saying that it's gone overboard with the levels of ignorance that is breeding there regularly creating a lot of problems outside of the forum itself where that shit doesn't belong. /enter why flaming is getting out of hand as I said. Not getting out of hand that it's in the largest amount, but is to such a degree to make people want to bring those problems out of that forum and into others.
@What GayGuy44 just said above me. I don't know why I'm tolerating your presence here anymore. Your posting useless garbage.
I've explained like 4x why not going in there at all is still a problem. If you want to be useful, try examing the points I'm making and rebutting them. If not, then your not being useful in here.
Same goes for you Parasola.
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| TylerDurden wrote: | My points:
1. It drives members away from the site.
2. Driving away members of the site by the battlefield causes a lower trade economy. Meaning more members have to leave the site because theres no trade economy. And thats on all trading fronts.
3. There are other forums where people can "have fun." It's called the Jokers Realm, it's called the General Forum, it's called '(Game specific name here) Related Forum.
4. A new member seeing mods, senior members, members with ++ status flaming each other to hell may feel reproached by the actions here, and fear this is another d2jsp, and feel no need to join here.
5. The sight of members leaving because of SPECIFICALLY this forum, is a telltale sign, whether you like it or not that this forums IS a problem. And how you value yourself over them is beyond me. How you think that your better than a hundred potential members who have been scared off, or warded off by those scared off is beyond me. Your just selfish.
6. I don't even have a personal problem with the forum. That right there should be a clincher argument. I've never even been flamed in there, and may have had my name mentioned one time. The fact that I don't have a problem with other members posting about me there means I'm unbias towards those mannerisms.
7. You've been bring up repeatedly that I can't tolerate being flamed. OK, find me getting flamed in that forum. Go ahead. I'll wait.
8. There is already an established order for resolving personal problems with other members. There isn't a need to make things juvenile and ridicule, or directly insult another member. Use the moderators. That's why Tramway appointed them to there position. They are there to help you.
9. Saying that having a forum for useless posts doesn't remove the useless posts on the site. It only allows them to post even more useless posts altogether.
10. The battlefield hands down has the most posts on the site. Which brings up a technical issue. Useless spam is clogging the arteries of the site. Any other site I go to it takes 2 seconds to bring up the next page after I click on a link. I wait almost 10 seconds to enter the list of subforums from a link. Is there a connection? Perhaps not, but one may tend to think so. I believe that only Tramway could answer this question for certain.
11. Telling people that you enter at your own risk isn't going to keep people out who don't know what that forum is about. As for those who do know, why should they have to exempt themselves from a forum? May I remind you that the battlefield has tens of thousands of posts, and a huge portion of the posts pie to it's credit. Which means theres less posting in "everyone elses forums."
12. Do I need to go on? I've only clipped points out of 2 of my posts. And they are the first two. I have at least 5 more posts full of points to post.
Why don't you start by discrediting my points by alleviating any factual information in them. Go ahead. I'll wait. Because your going to have a pain in the ass of a time trying to do so. Nothings impossible, but you damn sure can't deny everything here.
Secondly, try posting your points in this fashion so I may have a crack at them like I gave you. I bet you don't get past 4 points after clipping them from all your posts here.
~Tyler
Postscript: By the way read my reply to treeezzz. You said I only gave 2 members worth of support for the battlefield. I clearly gave you a solid number of 10. You really should try giving REAL rebuttals.
| Logic. wrote: | The battlefloor was designed for a place to have fun and post needless things
not to be moderated and just do what you want
jessmop/keefer have a diffrent idea thay would like to moderate it because thay cant take a flame.
on a side note tramway put it thare because he thought it would be a cool place to make it diffrent from d2jsp
so this post is actualy conredicting him and both sr.mods
NOW HERES MY SUGGESTION:
anyone who post garbage like this should be warned for 30 days.
gl and i wish you all the best of luck on the stopping of being assholes
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Make your own suggestion post if you wish to make suggestions. That's spam pure and simple.
And it's not "conredicting" Tram and both sr.mods. It's not contradicting them at all if I make a suggestion about the site. If it were THERE WOULDN'T BE A SITE SUGGESTION FORUM!
I'll stop here, because I realized that the post I'm going to have to edit this into rips up your argument on a few levels anyways. You may feel free to read the points, and apologize to me later.
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then all flamers will flame in general chat
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Treeeeezz.
Keefer7.
Cinemax.
Jessmop.
Just names.
Don't mean much normally.
Wait a tick...
THOSE ARE THE NAMES OF SOMETHING CERTAIN.. BUT WHAT?!!?!
Oh yeah, they are the moderators. They deal out warnings and suspensions for flaming ect. If you can't contain your flaming addiction, you'll eventually be suspended, and then banned for a repeat offense. It's a problem even with the battlefield. Sorry. Deal with it like the rest of it. Just because you can't handle being flamed doesn't mean the rest of us have to get flamed to shit in the battlefield which we don't even read and have to be effected for something we lobbied against having.
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| TylerDurden wrote: | Treeeeezz.
Keefer7.
Cinemax.
Jessmop.
Just names.
Don't mean much normally.
Wait a tick...
THOSE ARE THE NAMES OF SOMETHING CERTAIN.. BUT WHAT?!!?!
Oh yeah, they are the moderators. They deal out warnings and suspensions for flaming ect. If you can't contain your flaming addiction, you'll eventually be suspended, and then banned for a repeat offense. It's a problem even with the battlefield. Sorry. Deal with it like the rest of it. Just because you can't handle being flamed doesn't mean the rest of us have to get flamed to shit in the battlefield which we don't even read and have to be effected for something we lobbied against having. |
i lol at people being banned banned for double spamming
so much power abuse
10% warn should be enough and thats after 1-3 verbal warnings
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I agree. But we aren't talking about that are we? You were talking about repeat offenders. Theres no way around that.
If your worried about getting flamed in General Chat, do you think it's gonna be a one time thing? I don't see that too often. I've seen maybe one case where someone was warned once, and they heeded it. And guess what they were only warned a few days ago and haven't had the time to repeat their offense.
And yeah sure I do agree on some level that 1-3 verbals followed by warnings. But by the time a mod gets to the point where a warning is about to occur for repeat spamming, guess what they've probably racked up multiple verbals. At which point they already know they aren't allowed to flame/spam. After which point, if they already have 10% and continue, 20% is inevitable. Eventually a ban will take place because that's what happens more often than not when someone is going to get enough of a % of warn.
As for banning for double spamming. I do agree. Suspensions shouldn't happen until after 20% warn. But I've never seen a ban take place for anyone who didn't know the rules becuase they were noob. I've seen it for members who've been here longer and should inherently know the rules after that point, and where I understand mods dishing out a suspension.
But I've never seen an unjustified ban on here.
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| TylerDurden wrote: | I agree. But we aren't talking about that are we? You were talking about repeat offenders. Theres no way around that.
If your worried about getting flamed in General Chat, do you think it's gonna be a one time thing? I don't see that too often. I've seen maybe one case where someone was warned once, and they heeded it. And guess what they were only warned a few days ago and haven't had the time to repeat their offense.
And yeah sure I do agree on some level that 1-3 verbals followed by warnings. But by the time a mod gets to the point where a warning is about to occur for repeat spamming, guess what they've probably racked up multiple verbals. At which point they already know they aren't allowed to flame/spam. After which point, if they already have 10% and continue, 20% is inevitable. Eventually a ban will take place because that's what happens more often than not when someone is going to get enough of a % of warn.
As for banning for double spamming. I do agree. Suspensions shouldn't happen until after 20% warn. But I've never seen a ban take place for anyone who didn't know the rules becuase they were noob. I've seen it for members who've been here longer and should inherently know the rules after that point, and where I understand mods dishing out a suspension.
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i agree it makes since to give a verbal first and then a warn
however the thing on a unjustified ban ive seen it happen to a user called evilution one time
and heres a post of you yourself saying one was unjustified
http://www.d3jsp.org/viewtopic.php?t=14688
note to all that is in the donor fourm if you want to read it go donate
but the battlefileds are fun
if anything just move it to the donor fourms or something
or make it so you have to have 150 posts before you see it
or my favorite is trezzz's soulution
make it so moderators cant see it though i think it should extend to people like tyler here
to the below the comments have been seen before
and how is moving it to the donor fourm a bad soulution?
then you have to donate to use it
but then i doubt you even read the other posts before posting
and btw the donor fourm idea isnt mine pinko was saying it over skype that it would solve it
personly its best to leave it as it is because the problem is you
but moving it to the donor fourm would work to
and as school hacker says if it has relvance it is not spam so this isnt
if i were to quote something and post it 100 times in a row that would be spam
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| Happyguy44 wrote: | | TylerDurden wrote: | I agree. But we aren't talking about that are we? You were talking about repeat offenders. Theres no way around that.
If your worried about getting flamed in General Chat, do you think it's gonna be a one time thing? I don't see that too often. I've seen maybe one case where someone was warned once, and they heeded it. And guess what they were only warned a few days ago and haven't had the time to repeat their offense.
And yeah sure I do agree on some level that 1-3 verbals followed by warnings. But by the time a mod gets to the point where a warning is about to occur for repeat spamming, guess what they've probably racked up multiple verbals. At which point they already know they aren't allowed to flame/spam. After which point, if they already have 10% and continue, 20% is inevitable. Eventually a ban will take place because that's what happens more often than not when someone is going to get enough of a % of warn.
As for banning for double spamming. I do agree. Suspensions shouldn't happen until after 20% warn. But I've never seen a ban take place for anyone who didn't know the rules becuase they were noob. I've seen it for members who've been here longer and should inherently know the rules after that point, and where I understand mods dishing out a suspension.
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i agree it makes since to give a verbal first and then a warn
however the thing on a unjustified ban ive seen it happen to a user called evilution one time
and heres a post of you yourself saying one was unjustified
http://www.d3jsp.org/viewtopic.php?t=14688
note to all that is in the donor fourm if you want to read it go donate
but the battlefileds are fun
if anything just move it to the donor fourms or something
or make it so you have to have 150 posts before you see it
or my favorite is trezzz's soulution
make it so moderators cant see it though i think it should extend to people like tyler here |
OK, your really leaving me with no alternative. Your not creating useful solutions. Your ignoring other posts. I've said many many many many times over that I have no personal problem with what I see in there. I'm not offended by anything in there until it spills outside of the forum, which is what it's doing.
I'm reporting your thread for spam. Do not post here unless your commenting with an observation on a post in this thread.
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